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Euro Long Dagger

This is the development of my euro style dagger. It's longish, almost a short sword size. This is the first of several "models" that should all have interchangable parts. Once I have several options done, I plan to cast these and sell them in as a shop piece. That way you could build your own dagger and will also let me try out casting. Eventually I would hope to have tanto/wakizashi/katana options as well as more euro designs, but that's over my head right now.

1. Just started out, I'm happy with the blade shape, but not sure on the hilt. The handle of course is still in process.

2. Shown taken apart.

3. Close up of the hilt.

4. Drew out the fluting I plan to put on the handle. Never done it before, and I want to see what it looks like.

5. Decided to corkscrew the hilt, again just seeing what I can do to provide different options on a blade.

6. Further along, and in directional light.

7. Carved the first couple flutes, seems to be going well, and I like the look and the feel of it so far.

8. Cut a space for the pommel.

9. Cut out a round pommel, but decided it didn't look very good with the design.

10. Moved on to an acorn style to see what it looks like.

11. Better than the round pommel, but not quite there yet.

12. While I thought on the pommel, I cut fullers into both sides of the blade.

13. Trimmed down the pommel even more, making it even more pointed and delicate.

14. I think the final pommel design. I like how it keeps the lines from the handle profile. I plan to corkscrew this to match the hilt. All sorts of twisty elements going on. Hopefully it won't look crazy when it's done. Paint will help out too.

15. I skipped a few steps by accident, but I simply finished the pommel corkscrew and final sanded the whole project. Then I glued it together and sprayed a few coats of primer on it. Since my color scheme is white and gold, I just kept the primer coat as the handle color.

16. Last I sprayed the silver paint on the blade and gave the whole thing a coat of polyurethane to protect it. And that's it!

A few final notes on this project:

Being a prototype, this project does have some errors that I didn't have the time to correct. While not huge detractions, please keep this in mind.

I unfortunately discovered that the silver paint was not compatible with my polyurethane, and it acted as a paint thinner. So just a general warning, you may want to test your silvers/chrome with poly ahead of time. I used the metallic silver from Jo-Ann fabrics. Too bad, because it looked nice.

I do like the overall look of this prototype, so I think I will work on a master that I can cast.

This project does have a sheath made from cardboard and a few other materials. The sheath itself was an experiment, and is far from perfect, but I learned a lot about the materials for the future. The sheath will have it's own workbench since it's rather detailed, and I hope to share a lot of info.

Thanks for looking!
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Suraii Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011
Looks really good, waiting patiently for the cast for this one and all the other items that will be created. :D
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you, I'll keep you updated.
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Koreakin Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2011
It looks good. Obvious improvement from the last time you posted on the Euro dagger.
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you!
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fixinman Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I also want to know how you plan and execute those spiral grooves.
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FenrirFF Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
That looks very nice! But I can't quite figure out how you were able to make those grooves to the pommel and to the handle.
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
You know, I really appreciate comments like this simply because it helps me to improve my work, so thank you. I'll put together some pictures and add them in for you. What do you think about the rest of the workbench? Does it do a good job of describing the process?
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FenrirFF Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2011
It actually does very good job describing the process, simple and easy to follow :).
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Karakura-King Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
that.....is so......beautiful.....
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks very much!
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Karakura-King Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2011
I wish I could make swords with determination, AND the high quality that you do. Unfortunately to an extent I don't, but I'm glad that at least someone out there is making the eye candy! 8 )
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captain0marauding Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
Excellent work! I'd love to have one of these, but I'm out of money. xD
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you! Don't worry about being out of money, I won't have copies ready for awhile. Still have to carve master copies.
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captain0marauding Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011
Alrighty. This is really amazing, too. I love the colour design. May I borrow it for a piece?
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Of course.
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fixinman Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh sure raise the bar again. At this rate I'll need a starship to catch up.
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Oh you know me, gotta keep climbing the ladder!
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MaceRider Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Beautiful lines. I think I'd do a wider "blood groove" on the blade personally, but that's just aesthetics.

I'm looking forward to seeing you do more with this. How do you the fluting? Round file? Dremel?

Casting sounds like a good idea, you could make blades and bodies in plastic, hell you could get nearly mass production going... I'm liking the sound of that.
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks very much! I see what you mean with the blood groove. My fear on that was going too deep and going right through the blade. I might try a thicker blade next time, since 1/4" seems too thin to do deep lines on.

I should have taken more pictures of the process, but I use a round file to do the fluting and the corkscrew designs. On a curved line like the fluting, you can only use the front end of the file. Otherwise, you can't keep the line curved since the file is straight. A dremel would work the same way, probably much easier to work with as well.

That's right! The main reason I want to cast these parts is to cut down on the time for making them, which is the biggest factor in the pricing. The only downfall is that the material is more costly. But casting should still allow for a lower price. Also, I can mix actual metal powders into the plastic to create a "cold cast". Parts could then be polished to show the metal, and have a more realistic weight as well!
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MaceRider Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you tried working with any metals at all yet? I think you'd have a fun time making katanas/wakizashis/tantos out of a real chunk of steel, using the same method you employ to make them out of wood (for the most part, obviously you'd be using bench grinders and such more than woodworking tools).

I've been thinking about getting into knifemaking, reading about Kukri and other such knives, watching videos on how traditional Japanese blades are made, all that good stuff. I'm just worried that I won't have enough time on my hands to do it all, I've already got a motorcycle I need to finish and a guitar to refurbish/modify, so I'll have my hands full full full as far as business goes.

In case you're still making Japanese replica blades out of wood, may I suggest another for you to attempt? The nagamaki. Something like a katana with a double or even triple-length handle, made to be used both as a sword, and as a stabbing weapon, almost like a spear.

Here's a link in case you want to take a look at it: [link]

I think it's a beautifully balanced-looking weapon, certainly something the type of sword I would like to own.

Good luck in your exploits! Keep me posted on any progress you're making!
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I would love to work with metals, but I'm not really able to these days. As much as I'd like to set up a forge and make my own real swords and fittings, I just don't have the budget for the more expensive tools and materials. Some day though!

Knife making is a very cool hobby, and it doesn't take much for tools from what I see, just a bench grinder and some way to heat treat the steel. I hear you on the multiple projects though. I have at least 10 projects open, and several more on the shelf. My advice however is just to tackle one at a time, starting with the easiest one. But certainly research any new projects you have an eye on and make a folder for it, so when the time comes, you can open that folder and have all your info ready to go.

That is a crazy looking blade! I've seen them before, but I've never really known their purpose. Definitely interesting though, I'll keep it in mind. I'll also have to find a source for ito that long, cause it would be a pain to sew together several lengths of the stuff I use to wrap handles.
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Archangel-Kuroji Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Kinda looks like a stiletto knife.
Just with a wider blade. XD
Nice work!
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Glad to hear that, since I was going for that stiletto look. Thanks very much!
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Archangel-Kuroji Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
AWESOME, I'm not an idiot! XD
Maaaan, I wish I was HALF as good as you at making wooden weapons. XD
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LordWobbler Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Now I seem to understand the whole "workbench" idea!
Looks almost like a game - you know, an adventurer works into a shop and builds a sword/dagger/whatever from parts, everything matches perfectly, everybody happy...

"-I'll have a Valyrian steel blade No. 22 with a dragonbone handle No. 3, dark patinated bronze guard and pommel, simple vegtanned leather sheath please".
"-Would you like a belt and frog with this?"
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
That's pretty much the idea! I'm hoping that the ability to pick from a selection of parts to customize the product will be a big sell. I'm trying to cater to the SCA crowd as well, so I have to keep authenticity in mind. Thanks very much!
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captain0marauding Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2011
I absolutely LOVE this!! Damn, you are so talented.
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks much! Just wait till you see it painted, and I'm trying something new for the sheath material.
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Koreakin Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010
It's good to see you back! I love the idea and will for sure purchase some when you finally start selling it.
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Sounds good, hope to get things up and running soon! I still have many master molds to make.
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captain0marauding Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2010
Amazing work so far! And I absolutely LOVE your symbol being rubbed into your carpet. xD
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piratecaptain Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you, I thought you might like it (it is zelda inspired somewhat). Yeah I was hoping someone would see the symbol, I haven't lost my sense of humor yet.
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captain0marauding Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2010
That's awesome, mate! xD I do love my Zelda stuff. I'm looking forward to this one.
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